Sonny Malone: 30 Years Behind the Scenes of Porn & What Cam Creators Can Learn From an AVN Hall of Fame Editor | Cam Girl Diaries Podcast #86

Sonny Malone: You have to really be willing to put yourself out there. You can't just think you're going to flash a boob and make $1,000,000. It doesn't work that way anymore. You have to be a, a, a personality that people are going to be invested in and want to know what's going on with you enough that they know that they know who you are. They're going to want to come back. Like watch it, like watching your favorite TV show. Welcome.

Gary Gabagool: Cam girl Diaries podcast I'm your host Gary Gabagool, third cousin of Omega world champion Perver Pete and today we have a very special episode as if it was the 90s. Now normally we talk to Cam girls and all that so everyone can learn something, but today we're going to learn something even better. I think that's interesting. Now today we have Sonny Malone, who is a or is or was a video editor, adult video editor, by the way. Currently is I work for two very big companies still. I'm working freelance for two very large companies out of my home. So yeah, still one. One of them's penthouse. So there you go. Oh. Yeah, one one's penthouse, the other, the other one. I probably should.

Sonny Malone: Well, I'll say it. I'm I Yeah, I'm working for, I'm working for Bellesa as well. So I'm working for 2/2 pretty big companies. So yeah, I'm still, I'm still at it. I'm still, I'm still cutting smut. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to go follow her,

Gary Gabagool: which you should, it is a what? What's your it's it's smut cutter. Smutcutter.com. Yeah, Smutcutter. And Smutcutter on Instagram. Yes, I. Instagram Smutcutter? Yep. I worked in in mainstream for about 10 years and I kind of tried to step away from smut Cutter and I just couldn't. It's it's been my, it's been my name since AOL was paid by the hour or paid by the hour. Oh my God, that's fucking great. I love. That back, back in the day when

Sonny Malone: I wanted it, because when I wanted it from AOL, they made me wait a week. Back in the 1000 years ago, they made me wait for Smutcutter because all my other editing friends were putting their first name on the word Cutter, like Bob Cutter or Dave Cutter. And I went, well, I'm I'm working for, you know, I think it was vivid at the time. And I'm like, well, so Smutcutter it is. So I've been, I've had it this, I've had it this whole time. I love that. I love that Smutcutter. That's exactly what you do you. Cut it. Yep, and have for a very long time. Longer than I thought it, longer than I thought I ever would. But I'm still here, God damn it. Over 30 years of cutting smut. Yeah, 1991 was my first year with Sin City back in the day. Holy crap. So, so like I said, you know, you edit adult films. Yeah, I, when I started at Sin City, I, the Big Mac, the AVN was still putting out the big glossy magazines back then. And I was there for a little while and I looked at the magazine and I said, I talked to my then girlfriend and my mom and I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I want to be the best. So I went through the magazine and I found all the big ads were Vivid, and I said if I'm going to do this, I'm going to be the best. I'm going to work for Vivid, I'm going to get an award working for Paul Thomas. And I did all that. Actually, I got 2 awards working for Paul Thomas and I was the first editor put in the AVN Hall of Fame. I was just going to say, I mean, you're, you're in the AVN Hall of Fame, you're in Hall of Famer. We are speaking to royalty here, a Hall of Famer. I was the first. I was the very I was the first editor to ever be put in the Hall of Fame.

Gary Gabagool: Really that's now that's interesting. Now you got your start like you know, like you said, you got your start with it was with Vivid. My start was with Sin City, actually. I'm sorry. Yeah, I was, I was, I I graduated college after studying product production and post production, but my day job was still doing accounting because

Sonny Malone: mother insisted I have something to fall back on. I'm like, thanks. So I started with a new post house. That was that just got the thing called the Avid had just rolled in and I was doing a lot of the work because the my other, the person I was working with didn't do a lot of the editing. She was had the things to handle in her life. And I said, well, I can edit. So I went in, edited, did a lot of and our main client was Sin City. And then when the company went under Sin City's like, hey, we just bought an ad, but who's

Gary Gabagool: your editor? We want to hire them. And I was like, right here. You're like, but you're the accountant. I'm like, yeah, I know, just it's me. So they so Sin City hired me and like I said, as I sat there and this they had they had just got new offices, they had this massive edit Bay.

Sonny Malone: I was like, oh, this is and I still got to go home at 5:00. I'm like, you know, this is this is OK, I can do this. So decided to stay in it. And like I said, if I'm going to say it, I'm going to be the best. And I stayed in it and still here, still here.

Gary Gabagool: So I mean, do you do you love? I mean, obviously you love it, right? You got. It honestly, I went to mainstream.

Sonny Malone: Like I said, I went to mainstream in 2016. I went to mainstream which funny story I started. I was, I was with Playboy and I was the post supervisor at Playboy for about 3 years and then I worked for Joanna Angel for about this four years. I was her kind of her everything I said I shot behind the scenes for her as well as edited her and did a bunch of other stuff. And it all kind of collapsed when the Internet got super huge and everyone's like, oh, we don't need editors anymore. And I'm like, OK, my, my work's done. So I switched careers and went into mainstream and I was doing working for a streaming service at a company called Ubiquity doing stuff for like, it was just funny because one of the main clients of the penthouse is Ubiquity, which is just another whole story. But I started in mainstream on election night 2016. Really a little rough, but as I'm in, so I wanted to mainstream for about 10 years, but the whole time I still had my hand kind of a little bit in, in the adult world. When I was done with mainstream, I was just like, I want to go home. I just want to go home. And sure enough, penthouse was like, we got you. So I'm doing I'm doing some side work for them and I have the other company as well. So I'm just it's it's good to be home. It's it, it, it's comfortable. I'm familiar with what happened with you. What goes. I'm familiar with the Yeah, it's just comfortable. When I was at Ubiquity and the penthouse stuff would come in, I'd always hand it off to someone else. I've done enough of that. And then I'd end up grabbing it back anyway because I knew the product. I knew the product extremely well. So the only, the only other funny story with that one is we were working. Paul Fishbein had a what'd you call talk show, a little like an interview thing he had. And then of course the girls who were interviewing each other would have sex. And he sends us the thing and it says the 2 girls that are on it, one of them was Raelene. I went, oh, you mean I know who that is because she's now sells real estate and looked at the video and I said it's not Raelene. And they go, Oh no, it is. It is. I go to the other department. I go, can you tell the people

Gary Gabagool: that sent this to us? You tell Paul this is not Raelene. It's the wrong piece of video. The e-mail was sent off and the e-mail was returned. Oh, you just don't know the industry that is Raelene. We know better. And I'm like, come here, come here. Can you send the e-mail back and say that Sonny Malone works here now and that's not Raelene. The next e-mail came from Paul himself and said, hi, Sonny, so sorry. You're absolutely right. Wishing to the wrong video. I'm like, yes, I know you did. I didn't mean to throw the throw it around. But I do have a teacher that says, don't you know who I am? I was like, bro, you sent the wrong video.

Sonny Malone: So I throw my way around when I have to.

Gary Gabagool: Yeah, which you should. I mean, you know, you're, you're an expert in the in the biz, right? I mean, that's. Thank you. I am. Yeah, absolutely. Hey. I wrote a book about it, I might as well enjoy it. Yeah, let's let's talk about your book. Pull it up here. I just built, I just got I because by the way, you are the reason I have this website. So thank you so much because I have been wanting I have been wanting a website for the longest time and just couldn't get my butt off the ground to do it. And I found this particular company that makes websites for writers and I'm like, well, I have three books published and there's one of them. The second one's free fall sitting, sitting down there being all cute. But we'll talk about that later. But yeah, that there's Smutcutter. Yes, Smutcutter how I survive porn like like that Yeah, I mean, you can't get you know, like that's it. Sex has been filmed and documented since the invention of camera, which that just that in itself is interesting. People in front of lines become the stars and the face of the adult industry, which is true. Like I never even I never even thought. Oh, and yeah. So if you go to your website, smockcutter.com, you can go buy the book You can get. Is that the link you click? If you get, you get 20% off. Well the link's in description you can get 20. Percent, yeah, the link, the link should be in description because that goes through Bear Manor Media, which is my my publisher. And he put a link on for an Ingram Spark thing for 2020% off the books. Anyone who watches this go click on that link and get you get 20% off. Yeah, so I, you know, like, obviously, like what? What's the book about? 30 years of porn, how I got into it, how I basically because you don't, no one sees my side of it. No one's you know, you mean I'm, I have been in front of the camera twice and it was because of Michael Zen. I was an MC of a strip club in one of his movies and that was it. Other than that, I mean, and I've been on stage before. I studied improv at Second City in Chicago. I also did seven years of stand up out here in Los Angeles. So I've Oh yeah, I so I've got awesome. Yeah, thank you. And I was always the porn girl because I always had the I always had material and I was and I had gigs around town without having to like look for them, which was kind of nice. But as I was at my mainstream

Sonny Malone: job when I just my couple years, about two years after I was at the mainstream job, I've started telling people stories about the work I'd had done in porn X amount of years before then. And I kind of tried to hide it at first because I meant mainstream. We're working for big names like, you know, Amazon and HBO and trying to be like, OK, let me just hide my light here and not talk about it. And then people would be fascinated and then I'd realize we were handling adult material as well. I'm like, well, let me start writing this. And I'd been writing most of my life anyway, but mostly just fun story, maybe some fan fiction here and there, things like that. But I've always been a writer. As I'm writing, I'm, I work at ubiquity in a very large room. I had these massive windows out at the the tower in Burbank. My view was Hogwarts at Universal for seven years, which is kind of cool. But I had this PC we was writing and I'd look and I'd go into my Google Docs and I said, can I be typing like mad kid Eric behind me goes, what are you doing

Gary Gabagool: there? Writing a book? And I'm like, well, now that you mention it, actually I am. And it took me a good couple of years to put it all together. It's kind of it's thin, but it's actually, it is actually a lot. And I just put all the stories in there. But all the directors I've worked with now, if you recognize a name in the book, it means you were good to me. And we are still friends. If you don't quite recognize the name, but you know what I'm talking about, then you know that that's a company I can't put the real name in about. Right, right. We kind of went around my publisher and I kind of run around with that. He goes, that's good, thank you. So I kind of like, you know, but if you know my career, you know where I work, you know who I'm talking about. So that's, you know, one of those kind of things. So yeah, that was fun. I. Mean yeah 30 years I mean you like I I'm curious like how like I never even thought about like yeah, the editing part like just like anything the editing part like yeah someone had to edit this stuff like. I actually my my best

Sonny Malone: encouragement, that was my first year at Sin City that we had a launch party for the new offices because they were just opening up. They just hired me, just hired a bunch of other people. The new general manager had just kind of staffed the place and it was a big deal. And Ron Jeremy showed up. Now we're talking 1991. So Ron was still Ron. Ron was still and, and I can

Gary Gabagool: swear on this podcast, right? Sure, yeah. I'm unfuckable, one, because of my size and two, because I'm gay. So, well, there you go. Sorry, Ron, you're not getting this one and I'm not his type, so it's fine. But he was introduced to me and he said, oh, I've heard great things about you. He took my hand in both of his hands. He goes, you know, the editor makes the movie. You're the last line of defense. You create what everyone sees. And I was just like, yeah, you're, you know, it's this is an icon of the industry at that time saying this to me. It was extremely uplifting. And I'm like, you know, I am going to do this and I am going to be the best at it. And I am going to. I'm going to. Yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to stay in it and I'm going to be good. So. Yeah, that was my first. That was my first big push into yes, you are going to do this. So that was cool. Yeah, and that and like people don't know, like there's I think a Ron Jeremy documentary. Like he's a really smart guy. Like he's not just, you know, just some. Porn guy just. Banging girls, like he's a really smart guy. And that makes total sense, too. Like, you're the editor. You make everything like, you know, like, yeah, you're taking all this footage like you can make someone look good or bad. Yeah, I did that. I edited a bunch of stuff for Wicked. There's one particular director whose name escapes me, which is must, which is in probably an important thing. He was shooting a thing called Red Light, where basically it's car stopping at, at red lights. And you know, what happens in the middle of the night when, you know, you open the door and who gets in and that kind of a thing. And it was D Dubra that his name anyway, it was, you know, big muscle dude. And the director wanted to show this girl climbing up into this big truck. Now she had on, of course, the wobbly heels that make her like a baby giraffe. And she's, you know, curvy as hell. And I'm like, this is she trying to get into this truck? She he wanted to show the skirt riding up. And the thing with her trying to climb in, I'm like, OK, she's struggling. She had to have someone help us. We had to cut away. I stayed on the guy behind the wheel. And there was a reason because he had a look on his face. Now, the look on his face, of course, was really, oh, my God, not really indoor. Got to make the money. OK, I can do this. And his hand was down here as he's doing stuff. But he had a look in his eye that if I told the director, I said, look, he, he's thinking about what he's going to be doing. He's pulling this girl into the car. They have a past relationship. There's a whole thing you've set up that they know each other, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, yeah, yeah, show the girl getting in. I'm like, all right, OK, so I showed it to him his way. And then I showed it to him my way where I showed the guy, not the girl, Then the girl just plopping into the seat. He puts his hand on my shoulder and he says, I will never doubt you again. And we cut it my way. Now, granted, it's an adult film and so many of them are gone in a heartbeat. I still take extreme pride in any scenes that I cut in anything I do. I, it's something that Paul Thomas taught me is sex is there for a reason. If you're if you're, if your movie has a story, it's there for a reason, unless you're doing a gonzo where there isn't. But nine times out of 10, there's a reason for that sex. So you want to actually have an emotional lead up to it. Some people, you know, a lot of people watch it for that. That's important. Right? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, as an editor, you're all into that stuff. Yeah, man. Bam bam. How is it cutting together like, you know, because there's a lot of bad acting like how, how do you they're like? Oh, tons, yeah. And like, like, how do you're like, oh man, I wish I could do something. There's one girl and it's in it's in my book that she there was one girl that that OK, whenever she would say her line or to go to say her line. Now she was this gorgeous statuesque blonde that just could stand there and you just dine. I'm in because she was, she was gorgeous. But when she tried to, when she would act, try to act before she would say a line, she'd go well and then say the line. So I would have to cut that out every time. And I made her look stellar. I made her look like Oscar worthy because everyone around her would also stop and wait for her to finish with her the well, because, you know, she's trying to remember the line. The rest of the group was trying to remember the line she's going to say and she finally gets it out.

Sonny Malone: So that was, and that was when I was at Vivid. She was a very, she was a, she was a vivid girl, one of many, no disrespect, no disrespect at all. She was stuck. She was absolutely stunning. She's still, she's still around as far as I know, but she was. Yeah, it was, it was. That's so yeah. I've often had to edit around acting that was not exactly Oscar worthy. Sometimes it's a little this or that or sometimes, you know, it just it's what always got me is, is if it was a really heavy emotional scene and two 2 characters are just meeting and it would be something really heavy like, you know, a funeral or something. And you're like, well, you know, I just can't don't know how I'll get by and all of a sudden clothes are flying. I'm like, OK, we're just going to, we're just going to go. Just not going to worry about it. We're just sometimes get past this part.

Gary Gabagool: A funeral. What did that happen? I think I did. I think that wasn't one of the movies I did. It was a funeral. Yeah, I'm. Not surprised. Yeah, no. It's not surprising at all. Oh yeah, yeah, wacky premises. Yeah, yeah. You got to eat There's Yeah, yeah. Do you ever like like while editing some like, you know, because I'm sure you had some like really wacky, you know, premises and everything you ever just like, you know, as you're editing, just laughing like, Oh my God, this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've I've never taken, I've never taken my name off a film, but I have edited it and going oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Honestly, the the only time I ever had a big problem was at Sin City that first year I worked for Buck Adams. God love him, God rest him and him and his girlfriend had an argument and he this is so they were still shooting on half hour videotapes, half hour beta tapes back in the day. Back in the day, things were on tape. Go with me here. He found a little hard drive this bigger. It was the tape. He threw the box of tapes against the wall and broke three of them. And I had to create a movie out of it. And it was based on a a movie called Forever Young where a guy who falls asleep in a time capsule and wakes up 30 years later was a Mel Gibson movie. So I took the movie, had Buck shoot a few things that he did wrong anyway, and I basically put my own commentary at the bottom of the screen the entire film, like the editor fell asleep, wakes up halfway because in the middle of a sex scene because the beginning of the sex scene is gone. And I did four stars out of AVN, got nominated. Thought it was great. And I'm like, you're welcome. Here's your movie. Yeah, I've I've I've saved many a film. That's that's actually How I Met one of my other build wealth on work for Joanna. Someone had unplugged the hard drive too fast as the movie was transferring and she lost a chunk of it and I had to create a movie out of pieces that were missing, but I did it. That's she goes, Oh, you're my editor for life.

Sonny Malone: I have you forever because I saved the movie basically, which was fun. But that's just that's just the technical, you know, nitty gritty stuff. That's kind of fun to just mess with that. I as someone who's been in the industry this long, you know, I've got a lot of I have when they when I had to. I live in I live in Altadena, Altadena, CA. During the fires I took, I took two pairs of underwear and seven hard drives to the hotel when we had to evacuate.

Gary Gabagool: Priorities, right? The house is fine, clearly, but yeah, priorities might you know the the wife took a sparkly disco sweater she was grabbing in the dark and I opened up the side of my Mac tower and I'm going. I pulled it out so I had 7 hard drives and two pairs of underwear. Holy shit that's crazy man. That's crazy. Yeah. How was yeah, like, how like in the 90s, Like, how was it editing? Like it was just like, like you said, it was like videotape and. It was it was guerrilla filmmaking. I tell you back then because I Sin City had bought this massive Avid system. Avid had just come out. This is long. This is before premiere. This is before you could work on your phone. This is way back if you like. If I did, if I missed one edit, I had to re render an entire thing. It would take an hour. I used to sleep at the office. I was working on a movie.

Sonny Malone: I was like a movie called Catwalk and I had to, I just stayed there for days before the movie came out because they kept keep working on it. Well, they didn't buy what's called a patch Bay. So basically I had the baited machine, a VHS of a three quarter all that. I had like four or five tape decks and no way to patch them easily. I had to go behind the machines. I mean, it was literally guerrilla filmmaking and I had to just make it work. So I learned real fast. A lot of technical stuff I did not learn in school. So yeah, it was I would be handed a box of tapes and a prayer and go here. And then actually when I was at Vivid, the tapes went from the three quarter to well, I've no PT would take all of his actual film because he shot on film film and it had all these cool burn ends at the end of them, which is part of the reason. But I did. I'm going to go off track here anyway. Let me start with that. The tapes went from the three quarter tapes to the little baby, the little baby tapes, the little remember those things, little small tapes and I would and we went to those. And then after that it went to all digital. But P TS last few films were shot on actual film. I did the Devil and Miss Jones remake with Jenna Jameson back in the day and I had these really cool burnt film ends on this beta tape and I used all of them in the trailer and all of them through the movie they came out. It was just the coolest little and like, oh, what a great effect you did. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did that affect myself. No, I.

Gary Gabagool: Didn't right? Right, he's already on the tape, but I'm was but I I was on the learn or that thought to use it. So that was my that was that was the second award I got was for that movie for editing. Wow. That's so cool, man. Like, was that fun? Like, you know, editing with like film like. It honestly, it was transferred to a beta tape and we were making the transfer from using the big beta tapes to the little tiny, how can I forget what they're called? It was so I I even had a tape deck that took them. I just remembered like high 8. Yeah, no, this is, this is I forget there were these little tiny somebody's out there. Somebody, someone out there is screaming at me right now. I'm going. Oh. Yeah. Yes, I'm like, sorry, but it was, but it was. It was. It was going film for PT was important. He wasn't really about the whole digital world. He stayed as long as he wanted to. Once, once it's once things started changing from going to big films to here's your Pizza lady it he kind of dropped out of it. But toward the end of my working for him, I would hand him a DVD of the burnt movie and he'd look at it. He would take the DVD physically and go looks great, hand it back to me, wouldn't even look at it. He trusted me at that point. But working with film with him was, I mean, I've learned things from every director I worked with.

Sonny Malone: I've learned about filmmaking through every director I worked with, whether it be gonzo weirdness, whether it be a high end film, whether it be what was it a Beetlejuice, No, no Nightmare Before Christmas parody that Joanna did. That was really cool. The make up was something. But I've learned something from every director I ever worked with as far as storytelling, as far as movie making as it it, it, it may only be adult, but it there's the one thing about adult is you can do the wheels are off the bus. You do whatever you want. There's this is this is the best learning ground you'll ever have for learning about filmmaking. If you want to do it on your own or do whatever, this is where you'll get the best, the best, the best, yeah, the best learning. You'll you'll learn the most doing that kind of, you know, doing it in an adult if that helps. I I think that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Like, no, but you don't think like when you think of porn, you don't think of filmmaking. That's not no that. No, you think you don't. You don't. You don't realize. Yeah. You don't realize, you know, the girl has been in makeup for an hour. You don't realize the guy's been setting up the lighting. You know, the there's, there's microphones, there's cameras, There's a whole, there's I had one guy, Oh yeah, I've had a couple of guys that are like, yeah, I could do porn. It'd be real easy. I'm like, oh, yeah, OK, take it out now and show me. And they're like, no, you have to perform. You're going to be on set now. Here's the lights, here's the cameras. Here's the guy who's been, you know, guzzling coffee since 5:00 AM because he had to be here early to set up the house before you even got here. The girl is here, you're here. Go. And they're like, I can't do that. So they're not a porn star. You're not going to do it. If you can't stand in front of me right now and Jack off goodbye. They can't do it. And I've watched many a guy be like they could do. I actually, I've had the same thing with editors in mainstream. Oh, I think I'll let it porn to the side. It'll be fun. And I'm like, come here, come here, come here, come here. No, you the reason my last job I was I was hired for my name got me hired. There was no oh, do a test. Oh, have you. I have only pulled the card once, and I mean once of the don't you know who I am card. There was a company in Canada. There's a million of them. It doesn't matter who it was that decided that I that I was. I was still, I've just started mainstream and I wanted to do stuff on the side and I'm like, I want, you know, here, here's who I here's, here's the here's my application. I'm on the phone. I'm on a video call like this with, with actually, I had my phone and they're like, well, you know, you know, it's a bunch of young kids. Of course they're like, well, do you. So you're, you're familiar with adult material. You you can edit adult. I walked from the living room to this room, put my phone down and put my Hall of Fame award here. Didn't say a word and all I heard was Oh shit, it's her. I was like, yes. And they I said OK, we'll send the contract Monday doing you can't just say, oh, I'm going to do this. Oh, I think I'll do it on the side. It'll be fun. Oh, this would be fun. No, you can't. There is no one that can do what I can do for the years I've had in it period. You can't just jump in and say, oh, I think I'll out of porn for a while. You can't, you can't. There's a certain, there's just, there's just stuff inherently that, you know, there's, you know, there's stuff like. Especially like, especially with like you, like you're, you're, you know, like the, like all those little things, you know, what we would think of as like, oh, those little things that can, you know, make or break a movie, can change it, can make it easier and, you know, like fix things and all that stuff. Yeah. When you when you have when you have two naked bodies sweating, slapping together on a on a pleather couch, on a parquet floor, have fun. You let me know how that comes out for you. You. Let me parquet. Oh, I've seen with the noises will the noises will kill you, not to mention the bodily functions you get to witness. Oh yeah, that's fun. I had to walk away from one company because I said you can

Gary Gabagool: do European footage, right? And I saw it. Nope, no, I'm good. I'm good.

Sonny Malone: But then you've got like when I was at Vivid, there was a couple of young guys that came in and just did not make the grade because they would not be at their desk that long. But the men's room had a lock. So they'd work for a while and then have to go away and to come back. And I'm like, bro, God, you can't, you can't go jacked off in the back of the bathroom every 5 minutes because you no, no, no, sorry. You have to get the work done. Yeah, eventually you'll get, you know, you'll get not, not sensitized to it. But after a while you're like, oh, her leg's in the way. Oh, her hair looks terrible there. Oh, she's losing an eyelash.

Gary Gabagool: Nah, jeez. Oh, is that her makeup? Is that a dog in the background or? Jeez, you got to cut that out. No. No, like a dog walking by in the background. You're like, oh, I got to lose that shot. You know, people don't think of that. Or it's like there's there's, you know, there's a, there's a something in the background or there's, you know, like I said, a squeaky chair. There's a here comes the the light this way or a microphone this way. It's like you got to pay attention to that stuff. People don't they just see, you know, they, they just see the sex and don't realize all the stuff that's happening. You know, this you have to. The one thing about cutting adult is has it has to be a fantasy. You don't want to see like you don't want to see them stop and get a drink of water. You don't want them stop and wipe up something else. You don't want to stop and go hang on. I got to change a tampon to be gross and we got that kind of stuff. No one. That's the stuff you're not supposed to see. It has to be a complete fantasy. It's not real. It is. There are some of the Gaza stuff that is of course, looks and is looks like real sex and is real sex. But if you're doing it in a feature film, you can't make it look like real sex. It has. It's part of the fantasy. It's part of the story. So yeah, so I'm a noob, wet behind the ears. Like when you say gonzo or is that does that mean like just like it's just like sex scene after sex scene. There's no like. Yeah, yeah, it's basically, you know, yeah, you know, girl, you know, girl, girl walks in with the nice outfit. OK, done or guys like or it's just it's watch the very early Robbie D stuff.

Sonny Malone: Way back when I used to when I worked for Sunshine, he walked in the building and the owners were like here check out his check out his footage. This is before Gonzo was a thing and it was this, it was it was his friends. Him and his friend found a camera and they were filming their girlfriend. And I was like, this is revolution. At that time, no one was doing that. And I had a friend at Vivid and I said, I'm sending this kid over to you right now and hire him. If you don't, you're stupid. And he got a job at Vivid instantly. And he kind of started that whole gonzo thing where hey man, I found a camera. Hey, here's a chick, let's get her naked. I mean, where there is no story. You're just hanging out and doing. And you know the company Bellesa does porn stars that one and the other just want to be together and want to have a scene together. They sit, they talk, they say do's and don'ts, they have sex. It's and they do stop to have a drink of water to take a break for this. And hey, the microphone's here and someone's talking. They let it all go raw. So it is all live and you're seeing it. But if you're doing a big feature like something from Wicked or even something from Vivid back in the day, it's going to have or even a lot of these stuff from Bree Mills is doing. It's all story based and it's going to be part of the story, so it's going to be a little smoother. Yeah, it's got to be way like much more fun to like do actual like movies, right I. Mean. Oh it is. Oh, absolutely. I don't want to like simplify anything, but like, isn't it

Gary Gabagool: just like with the just like gonzo stuff? It's just like, you know, just, I mean, yeah, 'cause like, you know, you got, I know you got to get shots and everything and put them in and everything, but it's not like. It's even even in gonzo you still got to find parts of like, oh, that shouldn't, but oh sheesh, that shouldn't happen. Like if it's well to be, to be totally disgusting, if it's an anal scene and the girl isn't prepared, guess what? You might have an incident and then you got to cut that part out because that's European footage. You can't show that in this country. There's things in this country you can't show. But there's the, yeah, the even, you know, there's the, it's still a human body doing things that, you know, it's not supposed to be seen, but we're seeing it, and that's fine. That's why we have a whole industry. But there's things you don't want to see. I'm assuming you know what I'm saying. Right. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. But as a editor, that's got to be way much more fun to like edit an actual movie, right? Because. I mean, I've done, I've done some, I've done some

Sonny Malone: mainstream work I've done, I worked, I've done for, I've done a bunch of commercials I've done. I did a whole thing on Tanzania for Yale University. That was fun. So I've done a lot of, I've done a lot of other editing besides just adult. I even have my own. I had AI had a YouTube channel for three years. I should add to it. It's a gaming channel of me playing a game called rec room for the VR headset with 16 year olds. Don't ask me how that happened. I should put that in there. I'm playing with these kids because it's a kids game, but I put I have a whole YouTube channel of it and I would edit that and it was so much fun to just editing itself is just I've got a real passion for it. Like my my favorite thing every month. This is going to sound really strange. I love old movies and Turner Classic Movies is just my jam and they put out a promo every month to show what's coming up that month. I would gosh, what I wouldn't give to just worship with the editor's feet on that one because they're always perfect. They're the most perfect little 2 minute clips of what's coming up that month and to show the emotions it wants to show through through, you know, 10 different movies and how they managed to link them all together. It's absolutely fascinating. That fascinates me. That's that. That gets me going well. Yeah, that's what I mean, like when I say real movies, I mean like the, like the wicked stuff, you know, Wicked and Vivid like that, you know, 'cause like it's, yeah, yeah, there's sex in it. Like that's the, I guess that's the selling point. But like, you know, like it's really, you know, like you're, you're editing a movie. I would be interested. There's there's scripts. There's absolutely, yeah, there's, there's, there's full on scripts that I have to follow. And and you know, and yeah, the sex uses the sex always in those kind of larger movies has a reason the sex isn't just thrown in because a guy showed up with the pizza. It's like, no, there's actual emotional reasons why sex is happening. And that's what Pete, that's what Paul Thomas strove for. And David Stanley, I worked for him for a while. I worked for, what's his other name, Biscow Michael Biscoe, when he first started, I worked for Shishi LaRue when he first started, when they, they would send the new directors to me after I was already established with everyone there. So I worked for all the big names as they came up. And then when they moved on, they kept hiring me just outside of Vivid. So because they they, they knew I knew how to tell a story. I mean, I studied film in college. I said, this is what I did. I still watch movies today just for the study of them. I mean, it's funny you said Wicked. My brain went, oh, the wicked movies like Wicked and Wicked for good. The ones with Ariana Grande, because I'm a fan and there is, there isn't a lost shot in both of those films. They're perfect to me that just every single shot has an absolute reason and it's gorgeous. And when I would be sitting doing stuff for Vivid to find shots, like when I was working for Paul Thomas, trying to find like, I would pull pieces that weren't supposed to be part of the movie to make sure that the emotional impact was there. Which, you know, I haven't done a feature in a while and I'm dying to get one in my hands again. I'm dying to. I want another reward, God damn it. So I'm putting the word out right now. Anybody got dying for a good

Gary Gabagool: feature? I want to get my hands on one again because it's been a while and I'm doing just my own stuff,

Sonny Malone: which is because I had I did do I had a a solo series briefly, but you know, I can't put a it's like that's guys gonzo. It was point and shoot, so nothing thrilling. Not yet. Nothing. Thrilling. Nothing thrilling. Yeah, it's funny as like, you know, as an editor, like you're like, like that's not what you think of when you think of porn. Like you're you're talking about, you know, the emotion and

Gary Gabagool: the shots and like, why is this happening? Why is that happening? And it's. It's yeah, it's the one thing about it's the one thing about porn. Porn. Some people dismiss it really quickly. It's oh, it's just sex on camera. They don't, they don't they. But yet there's a whole genre of people that see the artistry that is there, which sounds so pretentious. There's art in my porn, but there is, there truly is. It is an art form when you get to the larger stuff and when you get to the not so much larger stuff, it still has to look good and sound good and be something a consumer wants to buy if you're making. It's why the industry has made a massive change in the past 10 years. In 10 years ago, people like me were being like, oh, that's nice. I have my, I can shoot on my phone and I can put it up on, on the Internet and I'll make money because the Internet was still 10 years ago, very young. It had, you know, you couldn't Google boobs and find them then you do it now. Oh my God, Oh my God. I was trying to work on a book on a, on a, I'm trying to do a, I'm working on a different book about the porn companies that were the rise and fall in the in the in the 90s and 2000s. And all I was looking up was just looking up an interview of someone and all of a sudden I was barraged with hardcore and I'm like, oh shit. And I'm in a I'm in public and I'm like really quick, right. But then like, Yikes. But people didn't big companies were all scaling back because the Internet had just gutted porn. Basically, the porn became easy. Everybody could throw, you know, only the rise of only fans is only now finally not is leveling off. It's not the barrage it was. So now companies are looking for people back, looking back for people like me, they're like, oh, she knows what she's doing. We need a real editor on this stuff. I need someone that can do the technical part as well as the creative part, because you can know all the technical that there is. You have to know all the there's tons of tech you have to know to get it right for broadcast as well As for the web as well As for the the phone is a different format. Everything, everything's, it has come back to where you need a professional again, not just, you know, some guy on his phone. So it's come back around to that. Thank God. That's why I'm still working. It's like, you know what? I I've left mainstream to come back to adult on purpose, because mainstream was, I was not that happy there. It was too technical with no, with no soul. I wasn't working on an actual show. I was working on more tech stuff for streaming. And I'm like, yeah, this is fun. It's a paycheck. But it wasn't, it wasn't, but it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't fulfilling. Right. The porn is. That's weird, but OK. Yeah, tell me about it. I mean. That's just. I mean, I have a strange life. I mean, well, it makes, I mean, to me it makes sense. I mean, that's like, you know, you've been doing it all this time and like, you know that like that's your, that's your wheelhouse, right? Yes, that's my wheelhouse. I'm I'm extremely happy and being able to work now with like the way things have changed.

Sonny Malone: I don't like with mainstream. I had to go into an office every day, which, Oh my God, five days in an office was the literal definition of death was having to drive to Burbank, which granted working in no, thank God for the pandemic. It was the whole oh, you have to work here. The pandemic happened and my company went here's a laptop, go home. And now that I'm home and working from home again, I'm like, yes, this is, I had a temp job last year for three months at another Burbank office and I wanted to jump off the window of the window making This isn't this. I want to be. I'm going to come home. Porn is home for me. So I've not said that. And the idea of sitting, because the idea of sitting in an office is just no, no, can't do it. I can't do it. I'm not that person. I thought I could be, but no, I'm much more. I'm much happier. Here with my with my stuff. Yeah, with. My things. Yeah, totally makes sense. So like in the, I don't know, like when did they, when did you like, I mean, obviously you had to see things change at some point, like with the rise of the Internet and everything. Big time. Yeah, like to me, I'm trying to think back like, I mean, when I first like discovered porn on the Internet or whatever, when I saw like, it's like something is like the early 2000s, maybe like 2003 or something. Like how did it, Like how did it

Gary Gabagool: affect you in the, you know? Like very much so. It started like I said it it websites were still new back then. It wasn't a bit, you know, it was having an online presence. I was looking for West Coast Productions and the website just kept dying over and over because he wasn't updating it because it just wasn't the the technology wasn't catching up and websites were still the brand new thing. But you had to have a website, which is why I'm so excited to have mine now because I finally have 130 years later. But it once I heard that. Yeah, I'm sorry. So no, please, it's fine. No, once once the Internet became accessible to everybody and everyone, you know, everyone had a website, everyone had this, everyone was online. It changed drastically. The quality of the porn went down because the, because the everyone figured they put a boob online and you're going to make $1,000,000 and a lot of people did put a naked chick online. You're going to make money. That's the way it was back then. Now we've all adapted, it's gone. It's a little more sophisticated. There's other places besides only Fans where amateurs can do what they want to do out of the privacy of their own home, make all the money they want to as far as they can, market and such. And the bigger companies are now coming back with bigger movies and the bigger move. The big movies are making a comeback, which I love seeing. If you watch the ABN Awards, it's all Wicked, it's all Brie Mills, it's all the big companies that take time to tell a story, to take time to tell something different. Something out-of-the-box is something really interesting. And that's all coming back now, which is like I said, that's why they need people like me again, someone who's got, you know, who's got, you know, time in this industry. And I know the industry and I know I'm, I know what to do and how to do and make it look good. So seeing, you know, the rise of the big film is is coming back. That's the other person. Yes.

Sonny Malone: If that's the other person I've been trying to get to is Seth Gamble. I want, I want to edit one of his films. I I watched him from like baby porn star to to like director now. And I'm just like, I'm in awe of his rise and I'm like, hire me and I love you. Please hire me. He's so cool. So yeah, because I'm I'm I'm proud of watching him come through this, this whole, yeah, easily the 10 the past 10 years. When I first saw him, he was a just a baby porn star back back in the day. He was adorable. I was I was on the set. I was on a Joanna Angel set and I was doing embroidery. Don't ask. I'm an old lady, but I do embroidery. I have like weird hobbies. And he came over and thought that was the cutest thing in the world. And he's like, my mom does that.

Gary Gabagool: I was like, thanks, what you working on? I was with a tablecloth or something and he says I'm going to go to the kitchen. You want some tea or something and sure, why not? Then he goes on set and he's working with some other guy with this girl and it is the most and bitch and smack and it was really a rough scene. He finishes it and looks at me and goes and waves as he wore them to the bathroom to go shower. And I'm like, Oh my God, what has happened to this child and the next somebody. Years later, I tell, I retell him the story. I just saw him at one of the next biz nomination party a couple of little last year, and he went and you just see his laugh. He goes, yeah, I remember that day. It was just this now he's, you know, big adult porn director as well as no longer baby porn star. It's so good. I like watching. And he's the perfect example of what this industry has gone through from being basically, you know, a Dick attached to a guy to someone who's creating movies that are going to actually stick for more than, you know, a couple of seasons kind of a thing. Movies that will become classics in this industry, which does happen. It is a thing, no? If that helps. Not sure how you had no idea how this conversation was going to go, did you? Oh, no, absolutely not.

Sonny Malone: Like I was hoping that because like, you know, like I don't even want to call myself any type of editor, but like I have to edit stuff, right? I've been editing. Stuff you have to, yeah. Yeah, I've been editing stuff for, you know, over 10 years now, but I did a different thing, her repeat and stuff. And then that was fun editing. I love that this I, and you touched on it earlier, like like the only stuff I, you know, I it's a podcast, you don't have to edit much, but I love editing so I do. I try tighten stuff, especially with myself because I like here I go, I'm going to fucking start stuttering and I have to so I try to tighten stuff up so the the guest, especially like the the guests that, you know, they're not good at like not good at talking, but like in this, in this, on this platform,

Gary Gabagool: you know what I mean? It's something, you know, not a lot of people are used to, but like, you know, I tighten stuff up to make people look good, especially myself because I sound like a fucking retard when I, you know, I'm stuttering and I. You're lucky I don't shut up. You're lucky I don't shut up. People. No. When I. When I. Yeah, it makes it so much better. Thank. You, I know when I was doing my gaming channel, which I really should get back to because the kids I'm playing with are 18 now and they're like, can you put up more videos?

Sonny Malone: And I still play, I've got AVR headset and I still play virtual paintball at least one at least a couple times a week. It's one of those things I do and I put up the videos and these videos make me crack up. It's the only reason they're there. I mean, you know when I put up a 3 minute argument about about potato chips that makes me laugh that no one else cares about. Like I only have like 600 subscribers. It's very small, but links. Links below in the description just in case anyone wants to.

Gary Gabagool: Check out Did I send it to you? It's so. Fun. Oh yeah, yeah, it's. Going to be, honestly, it's so fun. It's the one game. I only play the one game and it's just so fun. I've had so much fun with the kids I play with, with the games I play. But doing that editing, I hear my own voice and I'm like, get rid of that because I because it's it's which comes. Well, the funniest part is you go into a public room in there and I always hear, are you a mom? Are you old? And I'm like, not a mom, but yeah, I'm old. Just go away. Can't you bother me? Yes, I'm old. Yes. I'm your mom's age. Yes. Leave me alone. Yes, I'm looking to shoot you with this paintball gun now die. Just go away. So yeah, I know about editing

Sonny Malone: your own stuff because I tend to and I don't shut up. I have to kind of cut myself out from talking too much because I do it too much. Well, and that and just like editing yourself, like just looking at yourself is just

Gary Gabagool: like, oh God. But you know what's funny? I'm not wearing my glasses right now. I'm not wearing my glasses right now. So I'm fuzzy, which makes me really happy is if I put these, oh, wait, these are the, these are the regular glasses.

Sonny Malone: I can't see anything with those. I have three different prescriptions because I'm old, but these will show the screen reflection too much. And I'm like, oh, now I can see OK, we're not doing that. I washed it. I washed my hair for this, which I never, I never leave down. So you're getting a whole part that people do not see. I don't leave my hair down often. My wife loves. It thank you then. This is this is her decision that I have this hair. So that's her choice. I give her that one. She cooks. I I give it to her. That's fine. I'll give you that one. I mean, yeah, because that like editing myself, I hate, I've edited other people's stuff and it's the best. Like I just love it. It's so much fun because like you can like you could just change like, you know, like you watch something and just with a few cuts or, you know, put a couple different things together and it's a totally different,

Gary Gabagool: it's a new product, you know what I mean? Like, it's so cool. It's so much fun. There's a couple of, there's a couple of things I found on YouTube where it's like they'll take the Titanic and make it and like re edit it into a comedy or they'll take, you know, a different, they'll take a scary movie and make it a golden girls thing. I mean, it would, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll take it and change it completely. And it's, and it's all from just the way it's edited and editing truly does dictate everything you're looking at. It'll truly, it truly dictates all of your like it, it, it shows you the emotion, that kind of stuff. I did, I did a bunch of short films back in the day when I

Sonny Malone: thought I was a filmmaker. I'm not an editor. There's a huge difference being a filmmaker or being editor and my wife was white was acting in my first film. It was about a homeless woman who actually had a day job. This is one of those big, you know, meaning something films. I don't do those. But she was telling me something she had seen from was it was it Greta Garbo was told by a director. If you look, look in the camera and just don't think of anything, you can, the viewer can assign whatever emotion needs to be put on the face for the viewer to, to, to attach to the movie, to feel they're, you know, they're connected to it. They, they, she did that for me in one of my shots. And to this day, I was like, it was done so well, which is what I did with that with that red light movie, is that the guy was looking out the window and not I know he was thinking of his Dick and the girl and not anything else. But the look on his face was so blank that you could see he's like he's picking up his, his, his, his, his, his, his girlfriend's best friend or something. So it was a relationship. In other words, he isn't supposed to be with this girl, but you know, he's going to be. And you there was this look in his eye, which like I said, he's thinking about, you know, I'm not into this girl, but I got to do this. But if you watch the whole scene, the director was like, Oh yeah, no, I see it. And it was just this little piece that it's gone now and wicked their catalog and it's whatever. But it's I'm proud of that moment that I made my voice heard of what I thought the scene needed and should say there. There. Look at me like I know what I'm talking about. Oh wait, I do, yeah. I was just going to say, well, yeah, I think you do. This is your again. This is your wheelhouse, man. Like it is, it is and, and honestly, I did not think writing a book was going to be something I'd ever do. I thought my writing was just this cute little hobby I was going to do on the side. And I'm on, I'm just about to publish my, I've published 3 books. One is my memoir. 1 is a memoir for Juliet Margold, who's actually not on that page, but I did. But it was Bill Margold's daughter. I went ahead and did hers. Then there's freefall. That's my baby. That is total fiction. That is 100%. It is a fiction book. And it's a it's a yeah. It's got, it's got as it's got as much sex in it as a freaking porn movie. But if you've seen Heated Rivalry, you know, the two, the two, the the hockey players, this is the same. This is the same kind of story. It's a male, male romance with an A list actor and a stuntman. And it's my baby. And my friend Thomas did the cover of both my books. And I love them so much. But that I I that that book is 3 times the thickness of the other one. Oh, yeah. Actually, if you look, if you look, yes, I have them. See, there's the memoir, but there's freefall. That sucker's got some. Oh wow, yeah. Sucker's got some the sucker's got some got something and this is only the first one of three. I've got two more coming out, but I've got AI have a series of short stories coming out hopefully in April that are also male, male romance. I don't know if any of your viewers are into that, but girls read that stuff. If guy Oh. Tell me about it. Yeah, I didn't even know that was a thing. It's. Oh yeah, the way I describe it, guys like watching 2 girls together. Girls like reading two guys together. They do. Yeah. I was blown away by that. I was like, what? Why? I don't get it.

Gary Gabagool: Like what? The youngins call it. The youngins call it. What is it not a hago? No, wait, that's the hago. That's a different. Thing that's different, no. No, that's the face. I just, I just, I just gave you the easy. I just gave you the easy answer. You like watching 2 girls like guys like watching 2 girls together. Girls like reading two guys together. They do. Yeah, that's all it is. That's literally. All it is. No, because men, men are extremely visual. Your, your genitals are on the outside and that's for a reason. And you're very visual and very tactile and crazy. Women are women. It's all inside. So we read. It's not that we're more real, real read or anything like that. It's just a matter of it's something we keep to ours. It's inside. That's why I would, that's why heated rivalry was so huge. And they did and Netflix did one last year called red royal and blue or something like that, or red something like, but it was a male, male romance again. And I'm like, OK, Netflix, here's the next one. I'm trying to pitch it. It's like because, because here here's here's your Hollywood 1. It's a it's an A list actor with his stuntman.

Sonny Malone: I've been I'd I'm so proud of it because I actually published it. I actually did it. So is it the gay version of Once

Gary Gabagool: Upon a Time in Hollywood? Yes, that's the best way to put that. Yes, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. Because the A list actor is completely closeted and he can't tell anybody he still wants to marry women and have kids. And again, the boyfriend's like, I'm sorry, what? So it's that whole dynamic of, of, of trying to be yourself but still be respectful of your part. It's, you know, it's got thoughts. It's got thoughts and stuff, but it also has it also has this tell a lot of that. So it's Brokeback Mountain meets Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Sure. Oh yeah, I don't know. That works. But basically, yeah, it's it's it's I'm still. Oh, that's Speaking of my writing as well. There is another memoir I'm working on with someone, if you've heard the name Ginger Lynn before. I have, yeah. That's. Awesome. I'm helping her. I'm helping her edit her book. No shit. Yeah, yeah, she's a really good friend of mine. I've known her for a very long time. I I met her originally when I was at Playboy being post super there at the Andrea studios because the Playboy radio station was right there. So she she came out with Nikki Hunter one time.

Sonny Malone: I love this story. I was I was still smoking. I had a low cut top on because you know, I did at the time this summer and Ginger brings out Nikki and ginger says, hey, Sonny, this is and Nikki didn't even say a word. She grabbed my boobs and went and I went and she goes, she goes, she goes pretty bra. I'm Nikki. I'm like, hi, so I got motor boated by Nikki Hunter, but I've known I've known ginger for an for a really long time. We've been friends for a long time. Once she she put on LinkedIn. She's I'm looking for editor for my book and I went ginger. She's like, Oh my God, I didn't even think, Oh my God, I forgot. So I've been working on her book for about a month now and we just, we, I talked to her about, I talked to her once a week and we catch up with one to do with it and stuff. She wants to put out three volumes and it's worth 3 volumes. She's an extremely good writer. Her story is very captivating. I'm excited to be on it. And I asked her, I said, can

Gary Gabagool: I mention your name on the podcast? And she says please, let's get, let's get it out there that it's coming out. So Ginger Lynn has a book coming out and I'm doing the editing on it. So yeah, there's. A lot of heads that I'll be wanting to hear about. Oh yeah, you. Know it's she's doing well. She lives in Vegas and yeah, there'll be a lot of people that are interested that she's doing this. So, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll see what happens. But yeah, she's, she's very excited to do it and I'm very excited. I'm very honored to be part of it. So I'm very has my my I'm editing everything now, my video and books and writing books, which I'm completely thrilled with so. What do you like better, editing porn or writing? Good. That's tough. Honestly, I just, I finished another book for my editor a while ago and once I handed it in, I knew I had free time more for my own work. So I was like, that's really tough because if I'm in person, my own personal work ethic is if

Sonny Malone: I'm not working, I'm not happy. So I have to work. I when I didn't work for about a year between mainstream gigs and back to adult and I was dying. No, I take it back. It was a month, but the job I got with Penthouse is only part time. So I was, you know, but I still had other things to do because I call I put the word out that I needed work and I got a lot of texts back, you know, the tech glad, glad to hear talk to you soon, yadda, yadda. Then my phone rang and it said Moose. And this is the guy that used to be a sales guy at Girlfriends films. Hadn't talked to him in 10 years.

Gary Gabagool: And he goes, Sonny Malone, what's going on? What do you need? I go, well, I could, I could do some work just trolling around. He goes, oh, did you freaking? I'm now the CEO at Penthouse. Y'all what now? Of course I knew that. Yeah, sure. So he calls, he calls his post super and says it's Sonny Malone, give her whatever she wants. Boom. Done. So I had a little work, but during the time of not having full time work, I got super into my writing, put my book out, put

Sonny Malone: my, my, my, my, my memoir came out through my publisher and then I put out the fiction book. But I have This Room is special. It's my Home Office. It's just got my own crap in it and it's my own vibe. And my happiest, my best time of the day is sitting here working, no matter what I'm working on. I got tough editing. I don't know. I love them both equally. I really do. I've discovered writing as just this, this, this, this passion. I have it. If no one buys the book, I don't care. I still need to write, you know, and, and, you know, and, and, and the editing, of course, is for money, but also I want it to look good. So my, I have the same passion for both things. If that works, but I do most of my writing, writing on this laptop because it's, this is my baby. I treated myself to the I treated myself to the MacBook Air and I'm like, baby, it's mine. I love it. So yeah, both equally. Both. Yeah, that makes sense. Like especially like with anything like you just you find new things that you're just into or just like passionate.

Gary Gabagool: Well, honestly, is that just with? Anything right? Yeah, Now publishing back in the day would be if you published your own stuff, you'd be like, oh, nice, nice little vanity project. That's cute. But now things have changed so much. There are so many independent authors putting out literally anything you want because Amazon is like, yeah, sure, I'll sell it if I make it, if I make a dollar, I'll do it. So great. So Amazon makes it super easy to publish your own books. So great. Thanks. I mean, you know, my, my memoir came out from a from a traditional publisher through Bear Manor Media. My fiction. I do myself, and it's no longer the oh, that's cute. And so like I said, there isn't a cute little vanity project. No, it's an actual viable novel, so you can't look down your nose at it. I'm very proud of it. So there. Yeah, absolutely, man. Oh, I get it, definitely. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun.

Sonny Malone: I yeah, because I haven't gotten it yet, but I want to get smut cutter how I survive. Porn I can get 20% off. Yeah, I'm getting 20% off. I don't know about anybody else but I. Yeah, I honestly, and honestly, I keep, I keep, I keep trying to send copies to friends and I look how expensive they are and I'm like, oh, I don't make that much money. I mean, I had some, I had some, I had some early copies sent out to people at ABN. And I actually was it was nominated for an ABN award last year. My memoir. Yeah, the memoir was they were they have a category, they have a category called Mainstream Venture of the year. Now, I had gone to the AVNOA nomination party in Hollywood. So I go to all those things to say hi to people and stay

Gary Gabagool: connected, right? And I get home and I'm like, yeah, party was fun. So, so and so, so and so 2 in the morning, a friend of mine, a, a, a non porn person, a, a civilian messages me and says, Hey, Congrats on the nomination. I go, what now? I didn't edit this thing this year. And he goes, yeah, yeah. And he sends me a screenshot. I'm like, crap, my book got nominated. So what do you know? Me and Stormy were nominated in the same category. Really. Yeah, that was kind of fun. So Yep, mainstream adventure. I didn't win, but that's OK. It's an honor to just be nominated. I was just going to say that just an honor like you were nominated, man, that means. Very happy. I was very, I was very, very pleased. Very happy. Very. Yeah, I didn't send them at AVN. I didn't send Peter and Dan the books just to be like, you know, read my book. I didn't do it for a nomination. I didn't know they had that category. I just. Figured my publishers like hey, who do you want to send copies to? Oh, here's a list. I said that to all my friends, basically who happened, just happened to be able to, you know, run AVN. So I just happened to send it to those people. So yeah, nomination. I was happy I didn't go to the awards itself, though. I wasn't feeling up to it that year.

Sonny Malone: It's a lot of walking. I have, I'm old. Unless I can stay in the hotel itself, I'm just not going to do it. So I'll go next year. Just just not up for just, no, just could, just couldn't do it.

Gary Gabagool: I just, I just couldn't you get it? It's it's going to the going to the trade shows are just it's a lot. It's a lot. Do you go to them? I used to, I used to go all the time and and the funny part is obviously I was like, I am, I kind of look like a soccer mom. I don't look like I'm a you wouldn't look at me and go, Oh, she works in porn. You would have No, just it doesn't read porn anywhere here as far as I know, not even in this room. And I would walk. I I'd see a girl who I'd like had recently shot with or, you know, or shot behind the scenes for or had edited for. And I would walk past the entire line of guys waiting to see her. And she'd stop and go Sonny and stop and hug me and everything. And I'm like, the guys are like, what the hell is that? Like, Oh, it's just me. Don't worry about it. Ain't nothing important, I know I I flex. Well, I mean, you know, you are a Hall of Famer. I mean, you know, I mean, come on, man. Come on, you know, you don't have to keep, I mean, the awards up, the awards up there. I'll take it down in a minute if you want. Yeah, of course, man. I mean, you know, cuz like just to just to be, just to be, you know, like, I don't know, man, just to be recognized for something that you did. Like that's a big deal. Like you're you're, you're a pro, you know what I mean? That's that's that's, I think that's a that's a big deal like. I actually have my words on my phone, don't I? I don't know. Yeah, it was. It's to be, I mean, like I said, it's the, it's what I play. It's what I how do I, how do I explain this? They're not here, are they? Well, especially because like, like it's something that like what you do, you know, editing, you're an editor, right? I mean like it's something nobody would even the the common person or as you say, civilians, civilians wouldn't like wouldn't even think about. No, and and when I tell people what I do, it's just, you know, I tell people what I do. That's kind of the look I get. I got a friend of mine now who's working on the new, the new. There's a new Chuck Lorre spin off coming up off The Big Bang Theory about Stewart, the guy that runs the comic book store and he's editing that and he's editing that right now. Yet him and I will talk tech stuff for hours because we do the same thing, just with different footage. He's working with, you know, he's working with stuff shot on a set. I'm working with stuff shot on someone's bedroom. It's also a set, but I mean, it's we still. But as far as technical, we talk, you know, during the, I said during the fires, how many hard drives we had put out. And hey, did you upgrade to the new Adobe? Hey, I don't like the new update here. All that tech stuff. We just, we talk all the time about it. And he's we, there's a wine bar we hang out at the wife and I go to on Saturdays that I meet him. We just hang out and talk tech stuff.

Sonny Malone: But it's like I said, when I got into this industry, I was determined to not. I was determined to leave a mark of some kind. I was determined to. I wasn't just going to, I wasn't just going to have a job. I wanted a career and I wanted to be, I wanted to be somebody. I wanted to be like my, my name means something. And the name Sonny Malone means something. I said I've gotten jobs just off my name. I've had people, you know, hear the name and go, oh, yeah, she's that editor. Oh yeah, she's that, she's that. She. People know who the hell I am. Which is nice to say after 30 years. Especially in porn like like just just thinking about that like that's just crazy. Like you don't you're not a perform like you always ain't that porn performer. You know those two things go together. Director OK, but like editor like you don't think like those types of jobs. You don't think or even just a lighting person or you know, the director of photography, whatever, like you don't think about those things, but they all make a difference. Yeah, that believe. Me you get a shitty you get a shitty fucking lighting guy and your whole fucking your whole job just got like so much tougher right I. Mean I have to, I have to save the film and I'm going to reshoot it. Yeah, I have to. I have to say I have to save what I'm giving. But believe me and let me I I wanted to direct. I really want. I still would. I still want to, but in my book I put that there's three reasons why I never had got a chance to direct. One, I'm not a girl or I'm not a porn girl. I'm not a performer. I'm not a name. You can't put my name on the box and say first time director. So there's that. 2, I don't have a Dick. I've checked. I don't have one, not a dude. Three, I didn't fall into tons of money because of all those things. I never got a chance to direct. And I've written scripts, I've pitched them up, put them out there. I said have my own solo series for a while. Ended up selling to a company up in Canada again. But never, no, never. Someday, maybe. I don't know. I think I'm, I think I'm, I think I've found what I'm the best at and I'm proud of that. And it's nice to be the age I am and be still doing what makes me very happy and makes me proud every day. Well, that's a good ending line. There you go. Yeah, that's all Sonny Malone, Hall of Famer. Like you can't beat that. Like, that's just thank you.

Gary Gabagool: You know what I mean? Thank you. Absolutely. I fucking I love it. Like especially like, I love the technical aspects of just everything. But when I message, yeah, let's

Sonny Malone: say, you know, when I saw your post, I was like, should I

Gary Gabagool: message him and ask if I could be on the Should I? I'm not, I'm not a porn girl. But do you think so? I wasn't sure you'd act. I wasn't sure I'd be part of your your Wheelhouse show. But thank you for including me. I appreciate it. That's why I call this a special episode cause like it's, you know. It's a very special. Episode, I mean, how you know, I guess I should touch on it. I guess just real quick last thing with Cam girls, like, you know, the whole the whole point of this podcast is for, you know, Cam girls to learn what like in the editing, especially editing like us, like a lot of Cam girls. They just like, you know, just make their basic little, I don't call it little, but you know, like little videos to, you know, get guys to like what what do you think for Cam girls? Is there something like they can do with editing that would, I don't know, not help their videos or something? I don't know, like how would you? Actually, yes, I worked, I worked for Danny's hard drive for an extremely short amount of time and we would do live shows and there was which were basic Cam girl shows. They came with all the girls came with an idea of what the shoot was going to be. Maybe a particular costume. But I'm telling you, it was lit properly. You could hear it properly. As long as your tech is up to date, yes, you need to, you got to see things clearly. You got to hear things clearly. Make sure you know, make sure you've got a good monitor so you can see what you look like. You know, if you're, if you're just going into the camera or going into the phone, you can't see yourself, You can't see what you're really looking like. You need a monitor to see what you're looking like. Otherwise it's zero. It's one butt cheek and you think you're doing a good thing and you're missing everything completely. That kind of stuff. And honestly, people like seeing what's going on in the background. Bring your phone with you, shoot yourself getting a cup of coffee, getting your hair done, little things, little tiny snips like that. Then get to your scene and see what happens. They want to, some people want to follow your day, you know, before you get to, you know, taking off your clothes in front of a camera. But you've really got to take care of what you look like on that camera. You know, take, like I said, take the 30 seconds to put up a monitor. Even if it's an old television, at least you can see what your audience is seeing. I think that's really important because a lot of girls don't do that I've seen a lot of girls, you know, they they, they, but you don't want a two professional setup because then it's not going to be the raw, it's not going to be the intimate thing you think it's going to be. You don't want it too pristine. You don't you want to try and balance that edge of I can see what's going on, but you also want to be relatable. So the guy or consumer on the other side of the cameras going. I I relate to that girl. You have to be relatable. You have to be on their not on their level. That's the wrong way to put that, but you know what I'm saying? It needs to be relatable. It needs to be relatable if you're if you're too high end or too the other way, it's no, it's it's a sweet spot to find. But I've I've the the Cam stuff I've seen, you know, I feel like I I feel like I know the person, but I don't, you know what I mean? But it's it's like, oh, even even people I follow on TikTok, I'm like, oh, they're taught I could they're lit right, They're talking to me. They're, they have a certain manner that I feel like I know the person enough, they're giving me enough of themselves that I want to invest more and follow them and watch them and hit that follow button and hit that subscribe and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, if you want to be relatable and you want to make sure you can see what you look like, yeah, no. That that absolutely. I think that's perfect because like there are girls that, you know, they go the professional route and they're that's the again, that's their wheelhouse. They're good at it. But for the majority, it's like, yes, be relatable. Just be yourself, make sure yeah, everything you just said like that's that's it man, because it's all about especially like even with movies like like in the the Cam girl world, like personality, like like you said, like show yourself just, you know, doing whatever like. It's, and it's, and it's really important. I edit behind the scenes for a couple of companies and when the girl gets interviewed, I have to pick, of the 8 girls I edit, I have to pick two to put on the website that are like no sex at all. And it's just them being themselves. And there's no boobs or anything. It's just, it's just them say, hey, I'm doing this and I do this and I love my legs and I love working for this company. It's really, it's a normal talking conversation and there's so many girls out that when they get interviewed, they get like, hi, I do say here's my name and they're like, no, no, no, then you're not for this industry. You have to be upfront. You have to be a, instead of a personality that someone's going to want to watch for more than 5 seconds. So I have to always choose someone that I that is engaging and you know, you can understand, you can listen to them and you want to you want to hear more from them if that you know, now that works. Absolutely, yeah. The person, the personality is important. Your personality on camera is very important and you've got like, you've got to be relatable. Yeah, I think that's that's like the the number for me. I think that's the number one thing, right? Absolutely, absolutely. So, yeah, That's, that's that's when I see a, you know, when I see a New Girl come down the come down the the what you call I ABN has done the Pike. Yeah, I guess you could say it that way. ABN has ABN has a, a, a New Girl or a new talent gathering once every couple of months at the offices and all the I was supposed to interview some of the girls there that I had the day job instead. I couldn't do it and I really wanted to, but that's where the girls can really showcase who they are and they, you really have to, you have to really be willing to put yourself out there. You can't just think you're going to flash a boob and make $1,000,000. It doesn't work that way anymore. You have to be a, a, a personality that people are going to be invested in and want to know what's going on with you enough that they know that they know who you are. They're going to want to come back, like watch it like watching your favorite TV show. You want to come back and see what's going to happen next week. So what's next? What do you got? What are you going to do? What do you keep going and that kind of a thing. That's that's how I look at it anyway for any kind of Cam stuff. That's why I never did it that night. Terrible feet. Just saying really bad, really bad. No, no, Yes. No, no Feet, I. I got the hair but dead feet. It's a trade off. It was my trade off in life. Hall of Famer Sonny Malone. Thank you so much Smutcutter how I survive porn links in description go check it out Get get her book 20% off Can't beat that with a bat right come on Sunny. Thank you so much. It's been an honor being in the presence of a Hall of Famer in the in the tech. You know, like not you're. Going to make me grab that award, right? You're going to make. Me on the. Screen, thank you so much for having me, I really do appreciate it. Thanks so much, Sunny. Thank you. Take care. 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